do not appear to be learning from the past." now, you were at the fbi in 1998. what do you make of that? are we not learning the lesson from the past? >> frankly i think that's ridiculous. we've learned a lot from those lessons. but there's a much different situation here in libya than there was in kenya and tanzania in 1998. >> how so? >> you don't have a developed government for one thing. >> libyan government. >> the libyan government that doesn't have the robust law enforcement, intelligence, military forces to be able to -- just come into power. trying to deal with a few number of insurgents that are going to cause trouble no matter what. >> the people will ask, what can they do. because frankly it was the united states embassy we're talking about which supposedly is united states tear toirks at least the inside of it. >> right. but internationally, host country always provides the outer perimeter security. so if they failed to do that, then if there's enough people causing an attack it's going to be like the alamo. are going to be able to overwhelm an embassy or consulate.